Where do you get your music ?

[Philip]

I've pretty much given up on Walmart's download music, it's been nothing but trouble for me.

so I'm wondering where do you get your music?

[DavBro]

Due to the proliferation of digital rights management and the limitiations it imposes (what devices I can play from, how long I own it for, etc), I have sworn off anything but CD media for all my music. I buy anything I need on CD, rip it at the best quality, and do whatever I want with it from there. The day is coming that this will not be possible anymore, but then most of the music I want has been out of production for 10 years, so CD's are a safe bet.

I have tried all the usual online sources, and they are more and more obtrusive everyday. Aside from the DRM issues, the spam and popups that usually accompany those services are nothing I want to deal with.

DavBro

[ChuckHutchings]

What DavBro said. ;)

Edit:

DavBro - is that an Ugly Stick? Hard to tell from the pic at that angle and with that pattern on it.


Edit 2: I think not. Doesn't the Stick have tapered tips and scalloped T/E?

[DavBro]

Close. It is an Uproar60. That is my summer hobby. Do you fly?

[lkcubsrule]

I get all my CDs on amazon for usually less than 5 bucks a piece...it's a cheap and legal way to own music.

[Entropy]

I get CDs on sale after Christmas. Even before Christmas, most are $5-10. I have about 60 CDs so nearly everything that I want to listen to is on a CD somewhere. I rip them to my PC for easy searching. Just the other day, I sorted by name and I have 12 different versions of White Christmas. I also listen to Christmas music during the rest of the year also but don't tell anyone, many already think that I'm nuts with all of the Christmas lights.

[chartrand]

I like the after Christmas sales as well. Amazon is good to. iTunes is a good way to see if you like a song before going out and purchasing it.

[Texan78]

Limewire Pro, the paid for verison, not the free prirate verison....

[John Pidliskey]

Try your local radio station. Most now, can let you download at .99 persong.

[Texan78]

Isn't that only good for like newer songs. What if you are looking for older songs that are like 10-20 yrs old? We have a station here that lets us purchase downloads, but they are newer songs.

[TED]

DavBro wrote:
Due to the proliferation of digital rights management and the limitiations it imposes (what devices I can play from, how long I own it for, etc), I have sworn off anything but CD media for all my music.

I haven't mentioned this in a while so let me say it again. The music industry needs to realize that the industrial age is over. They are still trying to use old industrial age thinking even though we are now in the information age. They are still thinking in terms of "per album" sales and are trying to charge the same price for downloaded music as they do for music on media (CDs, etc). For .99 per song you might as well buy the CD. If they could get their collective heads out of the sand (industrial age sand) and look at the big picture maybe they would realise the potential of embracing the information age approach. Once the price for downloading a song is cheap enough that it's not worth the effort to rip the song from a CD or pirate the song from the latest file sharing site they will make some real money from digital sales. If songs were .10 and albums were say $1 or $2 they people would not only download their favorite music they would download every song they've ever heard that they like! Sales would skyrocket!!! But unfortunately this is not happening because the music industry ironically can't grasp digital age thinking.

To answer the original question I buy the CD. I usually search for a deal on eBay and don't buy until I can get it cheap. Occasionally I will buy a new CD if the price is not outrageous.

TED

[John Pidliskey]

I don't think .99 per song is too much to ask. Remember when we would just buy single 45's? Or is that too 'old' for you to even know what a 45 is?

Music today should not even be called music, there is no talent inthe the music or most of the lyrics. I would not and have not bought a whole CD in years.

I would much rather buy a single at .99 than buy the whole CD when the rest of the so-called music stinks.

Just my opinion, not to offend.

[marquisite]

Texan78 wrote:
Limewire Pro, the paid for verison, not the free prirate verison....


Are you sure that is legal? Because the network that any Limewire client connects to is in fact P2P which allows anybody to share any files they want (whether they have permission or not).

As far as I'm aware such 'pro' versions of this type of software do not legalise downloading of files that are copyrighted, but only unlock extra features to pay for the server and programming costs.

Correct me if I'm wrong??

[Toymakr000]

i always buy the CD 's that way you have proof of purchase /not pirated.

[Robin]

I am waiting for the industry to come down on the used market. I mean how can someone sell a used CD in a store and not pay royalities? Yet if I want to give you a song I could be responsible for thousands of dollars in fines and legal fees.

While they are at it no more used video stores. No more used video games sold to anyone anywhere. Oh and record collectors (real records) must not share the profits for their old albums they sell. I guess I will just keep my white album.

Now tell me just what is the difference? Not one single thing and it seems like at least one time a year we get into this. The same old people will get on here and say it is stealing to file share (which I quit five years ago) yet they will defend the rights of someone to sell and profit a used song in a store, on the internet or at a flea market. At least in file sharing no one is making the money off the artist.

[DavBro]

That's back to the DRM thing. The minute we go to an all-digital distribution of music (or books, or video), those used stores will be gone (or at least not thrive as they do now). I am all for paying the artist, but will not ever endorse technologies that limit my ability to own (freely enjoy entertainment on any device, at any time, for any number of plays) media.

Ownership of anything implies freedom of use, and that concept is rapidly eroding in every facet of our lives.

DavBro

[Texan78]

marquisite wrote:
Texan78 wrote:
Limewire Pro, the paid for verison, not the free prirate verison....


Are you sure that is legal? Because the network that any Limewire client connects to is in fact P2P which allows anybody to share any files they want (whether they have permission or not).

As far as I'm aware such 'pro' versions of this type of software do not legalise downloading of files that are copyrighted, but only unlock extra features to pay for the server and programming costs.

Correct me if I'm wrong??


The pro is P2P but the Limiewire pro is like Napster where you pay a monthly charge for unlimted downloads which pays the royalities to ASCAP and BMI. Limewire charges a yearly fee though instead of montly. It is completely legal. Being a former DJ I normally get the promo stuff sent to me anyways from the labels but it is all cuurrent music and I subscribed to the same services that the radio stations use. I end up buying the LP of the CD anyways for my collection but the Limewire comes in handy when I just need a song or two of something a little older I don't have or get serviced with by Promo Only or CDX.

[Texan78]

TED wrote:
DavBro wrote:
Due to the proliferation of digital rights management and the limitiations it imposes (what devices I can play from, how long I own it for, etc), I have sworn off anything but CD media for all my music.

I haven't mentioned this in a while so let me say it again. The music industry needs to realize that the industrial age is over. They are still trying to use old industrial age thinking even though we are now in the information age. They are still thinking in terms of "per album" sales and are trying to charge the same price for downloaded music as they do for music on media (CDs, etc). For .99 per song you might as well buy the CD. If they could get their collective heads out of the sand (industrial age sand) and look at the big picture maybe they would realise the potential of embracing the information age approach. Once the price for downloading a song is cheap enough that it's not worth the effort to rip the song from a CD or pirate the song from the latest file sharing site they will make some real money from digital sales. If songs were .10 and albums were say $1 or $2 they people would not only download their favorite music they would download every song they've ever heard that they like! Sales would skyrocket!!! But unfortunately this is not happening because the music industry ironically can't grasp digital age thinking.

To answer the original question I buy the CD. I usually search for a deal on eBay and don't buy until I can get it cheap. Occasionally I will buy a new CD if the price is not outrageous.

TED


You way of thinking I agree with but you have to look at the other side on the indsutry and why it is the way it is. I was a DJ to Radio then on to production manager of high profile country acts. So I have some experiance in the industry, and while your idea would be ideal situation the only ones who benifit from this would be the label and the end consumer. I have forgot all the technical terms because I haven't been on the scene very much lately. When a label signs an artist they pretty much give this artist a loan and take a chance on them getting big. So within this loan it is suppose to provide, studio time, cutting the album, advertisment, and paying all the people involed from artwork to the label for the people marketing them. That is why you see so many new artist playing as many places as they can and doing autogrpah signings, etc. The artist doesn't make a dime off their album or sales, well maybe like 10% or something but it isn't much, until the label has recouped all the money that have loaned that artist to make this album and everything involed. The radio stations charge the Labels for air time for thier arist and songs they play. So while the 10 cent download and $2-4 full albums on digital downloads sounds good it doesn't pay the cost to new artist, and also not everyone has a comptuter or burner because society hasn't caught up to the digital age yet and is the reason why the music industry is stuck on the industrial ways. I love your idea personally don't get me wrong. I just don't think you will ever see things changing. I could go on and on about how this industry works but don't have the time. I mean would you believe that over 50% of the country is still using Dial-Up? I know I didn't believe it etheir but it's true. As much as we move forward and things changes, somethings will always stay the same.

[ChuckHutchings]

DavBro wrote:
Close. It is an Uproar60. That is my summer hobby. Do you fly?

A bit. Used to more when I was younger. I have a little electric park flyer and a kadet senior still in working order.

Funny side note: On my wedding day back in '89, I was flying model airplanes with a couple buddies at the local high school field just an hour or two before the ceremony.

I was NOT late. ;)

(One of the guys was the best man, the other was one of those other guys that stands around on the sides.)

[marquisite]

Texan78 wrote:
marquisite wrote:
Texan78 wrote:
Limewire Pro, the paid for verison, not the free prirate verison....


Are you sure that is legal? Because the network that any Limewire client connects to is in fact P2P which allows anybody to share any files they want (whether they have permission or not).

As far as I'm aware such 'pro' versions of this type of software do not legalise downloading of files that are copyrighted, but only unlock extra features to pay for the server and programming costs.

Correct me if I'm wrong??


The pro is P2P but the Limiewire pro is like Napster where you pay a monthly charge for unlimted downloads which pays the royalities to ASCAP and BMI. Limewire charges a yearly fee though instead of montly. It is completely legal. Being a former DJ I normally get the promo stuff sent to me anyways from the labels but it is all cuurrent music and I subscribed to the same services that the radio stations use. I end up buying the LP of the CD anyways for my collection but the Limewire comes in handy when I just need a song or two of something a little older I don't have or get serviced with by Promo Only or CDX.

I hate to burst your bubble, but I just copied this from the Lime Wire website:

LimeWire is legal software, but it is illegal for you to use LimeWire to share copyrighted files without permission. Purchasing LimeWire PRO does not constitute a license for obtaining or distributing unauthorized files. When you download LimeWire software from <url removed>, you agree to refrain from using LimeWire for the purpose of copyright infringement.

The above snippit suggests the PRO version does not pay royalities to the record labels. So I suggest that if you do use such software to obtain this that you either purchase the songs that you want to use either on CD or online like iTunes so you have the 'right to play' (for those songs that you are using but having already done so), or perhaps just keep it quiet about those downloading activities to avoid any unwanted fees such as fines for copyright infringement.

Just a word of advice, fellow Christmas lighting enthusiast...

Additional comment: Maybe the laws for such activity are very different where you live, I don't know. I just don't want to see a Christmas display that brings joy to mankind go down for any law breaking. If you are sure your use of P2P in your circumstances is legal, then by all means continue to use it.

[Texan78]

I think some are misled to what copyright infringement is. You are also not posting everything from Limewire. As long as I am not reproducing it for sale and using it for personal use then it is legal. If the song has not been commercially released yet then it is illegal to share and would be an example of copyright infringement. It is no different then me buring you a CD I bought for you and giving it to you for free. They sale CDRs and CD Burners and if this was not legal then they would not able to buy it. Their are many, many ways to share music then downloading it from P2P sites. None of which is illegal. Being a former DJ I am licensed to play music or rebroadcast it to a crowd. I pay yearly dues to ASCAP, BMI, SESAC. If you want to get technical everyone that has a comptuter controlled display that is playing music over a FM freq. is suppose to be paying royalites regardless if they are broadcasting 10 feet or through an entire city. Radio stations have to do the same thing. So by the Music Licensing laws which states for broadcasting; the replaying of pre-recorded works to multiple listeners through various media or in a 'semi-live' setting such as a bar or bookstore, and including radio, TV, webcasting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webcasting), podcasting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcasting), etc. (Note: Using this definition and the previous one, you find the information that leads to phrases like 'live broadcast performance'.). So in order words, that could also be considered copyright infringement. Google Music Licensing, you'll see what I am talking about. So downloading off of Limewire is perfectly legal as it states as long as I don't reproduce or sell it and I already pay dues so I am good to go.

[ryanshow]

then you got the ascap licence stuff

[Texan78]

Oh god, yea it has been about 14 or so years so I have been a memeber I guess. Since I worked as contract labor when I DJ'ed I needed to be covered but unless I was on salary or hourly payroll then the establishment would have needed to get lic and pay the dues.

[ryanshow]

Texan78 wrote:
Oh god, yea it has been about 14 or so years so I have been a memeber I guess. Since I worked as contract labor when I DJ'ed I needed to be covered but unless I was on salary or hourly payroll then the establishment would have needed to get lic and pay the dues.


the ascap licence is NOT neccesary for DJ's as long as you own the music. (does not include Radio DJ's or TV Stations)

[Texan78]

Own music or not if you are rebroadcasting the music you need to be lic....

[ryanshow]

Texan78 wrote:
Own music or not if you are rebroadcasting the music you need to be lic....

On big time radio yes, but for private events/DJ'ing no.

[grandad]

Philip wrote:
I've pretty much given up on Walmart's download music, it's been nothing but trouble for me.

so I'm wondering where do you get your music?

Well you could try searching places like YouTube for that old Christmas music and then use Audacity..........if you see what I mean.

[ryanshow]

shhh!! I did that! :laughing:

[Texan78]

ryanshow wrote:
Texan78 wrote:
Own music or not if you are rebroadcasting the music you need to be lic....

On big time radio yes, but for private events/DJ'ing no.


You don't own the music, you own the media that music is stored on, and you have a limited right to use the music for themselves, so long as 'using' doesn't mean 'making unlicensed copies of' or 'broadcasting' the recorded work then you are suppose to pay dues for playing that music if it is rebroadcasted beyond personal use.

There are, of course, many different definitions of 'broadcasting,' but for the purposes of a discussion of music licensing, 'broadcasting' may be considered to mean the playback of pre-recorded or live music for groups of people other than the licensed purchaser of a given work, beyond what might be normally expected in a social setting. Playing music in your car is not broadcasting, unless you're playing it out of your car for a large group of people, for instance at a tailgate party. There has been some legal wrangling over the years about what, exactly, constitutes a 'broadcast' for the purpose of license/copyright enforcement. Legal claims are filed nearly every day across the world against bookstores, bars, and live music venues which broadcast music without paying for it.
In a nutshell: If you are playing music in so that people outside of your close, immediate area can hear it, you're broadcasting, and by law you are required to keep track of what you play and pay for it. This is equally true of non-profit organizations, live music bars, bars or clubs that feature pre-recorded music, bookstores that play music, coffee shops that play music, roller-skate rinks, podcasts...anyone.